From 20c20b25b50294191f3ef98f694e035691d42792 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Matthew Thode Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 21:35:31 -0600 Subject: add log for december 2019 meeting Signed-off-by: Matthew Thode --- 2019/20191216.log.txt | 158 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 158 insertions(+) create mode 100644 2019/20191216.log.txt diff --git a/2019/20191216.log.txt b/2019/20191216.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..834b843 --- /dev/null +++ b/2019/20191216.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,158 @@ +[03:01:02] antarus, b-man robbat2 prometheanfire alicef ping +[03:01:10] * b-man here +[03:01:12] Please roll-call with aye +[03:01:16] o/ +[03:01:17] Aye +[03:01:20] aye +[03:01:24] aye +[03:01:31] o/ +[03:01:38] aye +[03:02:34] we have quorum +[03:02:40] agenda is here: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Meetings/2019/12 +[03:02:49] who is logging? +[03:03:02] I'll log +[03:03:06] thanks +[03:03:46] old business +[03:04:26] Taxex update: I don't see robin here +[03:04:59] we have filed for 4 years and we have the bill for those, but are still working out how to pay online vs check +[03:05:02] taxes* +[03:05:55] We last heard from teh accountant on 12/9, with updated instructions +[03:06:17] any questions about taxes? +[03:07:39] ok moving on +[03:08:02] The accountant had also discussed with us making a new org, vs keeping the existing org +[03:08:37] I believe this was with the goal of creation a tax-exempt non-profit, as there was some thought that making the existing organization tax-exempt could be difficult given its age +[03:08:44] creating* +[03:08:51] Yes, that is correct. +[03:09:22] if we made a new org, do we have any idea who would be on the board? +[03:09:38] or where it'd be formed? +[03:09:44] (there is some straightforwar feedback that it is unlikely the entire existing board would join the new organization) +[03:09:50] I believe we would keep any board members currently still in office +[03:10:16] but I believe that ensuring a CPA is retained is crucial before considering a new org or keeping the existing +[03:10:38] are you unhappy with the CPA we have currently? +[03:10:46] not necessarilly, they'd remain as board members for the old foundation +[03:11:01] antarus: This is not what I mean. +[03:11:31] antarus: I believe it is crucial to retain a CPA (this one is fine) to do books. Otherwise, we give it a few years and we are back to where we started regarding finances. +[03:12:07] prometheanfire: antarus: I specifically asked this question to the CPA before. Current board members can reside over both as one is dissolved and the other is stood up. +[03:12:12] right +[03:12:16] b-man: yep +[03:12:19] I'm stating that i would not join the new board +[03:12:29] ack +[03:12:41] part of my concern is that there are not enough humans to keep a board solvent +[03:12:44] We just need to ensure the electorate has their representation should we keep a non-profit +[03:13:04] I'm looking for some guidance on how we can improve that situation +[03:13:08] antarus: some strightforward feedback from who? +[03:13:29] antarus: We can lower the board member requirement dependent on state. +[03:13:37] alicef: I believe that myself, prometheanfire and robbat2 are not willing to be board members for long term +[03:13:38] what is the min required? iirc we are larger than needed +[03:13:46] the min in NM is 3 +[03:13:57] I'm not sure about other jurisdictions +[03:14:05] I also believe that most shy away due to the finance piece. Some are too worried about being held responsible. +[03:14:05] ya, I can help out depending on how involved it is, it just, depends +[03:14:22] ya, limited liability +[03:14:35] antarus: I would like to listen from them their own decision +[03:14:47] well robbat2 isn't here, so its hard to say ;) +[03:15:03] I'd say I could remain secretary for the time being +[03:15:14] from my POV I'm unlikely to vote on a transfer of assets to some new entity without some idea that there will be people to run it +[03:15:21] a 2 person board doesn't please me much +[03:15:38] (I may also continue to look into the umbrella thing but my level of care is only so much.) +[03:15:39] antarus: agreed with transferring. +[03:15:46] I'm ok on take up on secretary duties, in case is needed +[03:15:47] has anyone reached out to umbrellas now that taxes are being sorted? +[03:15:57] I was hoping we would have had them paid by now +[03:16:00] My largest concern of a board is by-laws impacting how Gentoo proceeds in the future +[03:16:01] and we will still owe penalties +[03:16:10] antarus: ya, no one wants our money +[03:16:13] I was going to reach out in Jan anyway +[03:16:16] haha +[03:16:28] s/board/umbrella +[03:17:04] Allowing a broader umbrella electorate to determine policies or legalities within Gentoo concerns me. +[03:17:30] If anything, we keep the current by-laws and AoI's and let the council run the distro as (I think) we all agree. +[03:17:40] haha, I bet its as concerned as the existing Foundation intrudes on gentoo policy ;) +[03:17:53] b-man: I agree with b-man suggestion +[03:18:12] antarus: Sure, some people could try to be elected and intrude on things such as council territory, but I don't think this is likely. +[03:18:14] b-man: they don't want it :P +[03:18:38] prometheanfire: Who doesn't want what? +[03:18:43] who don't want it ? +[03:18:51] council doesn't want to run the foundation +[03:18:59] prometheanfire: This is not what I mean. +[03:19:12] To me, there is a clear delineation of responsibilities. +[03:19:19] We pay bills and ensure any legal pieces are taken care of. +[03:19:21] Council runs the distro +[03:19:27] right +[03:19:28] I think b-man +[03:19:43] no need to go tell council how to do their job. +[03:19:44] b-man's concern is that we go to an umbrella and the umbrella change sgentoo policy +[03:19:47] like making us use github ;p +[03:19:56] or changing our logo +[03:20:00] antarus: Sure, or accepting a certain license we don't agree with +[03:20:11] well the license thing is odd right +[03:20:18] but that is my concern... +[03:20:18] nominally that is within the current board's remit +[03:20:26] we'd have to work out those details before doing it +[03:20:36] antarus: yes, and we can work with the electorate and council to ensure we find a good solution +[03:20:47] and you think the umbrella will not? +[03:21:02] antarus: yes, they would, but we will be competing with other projects. +[03:21:06] e.g. Apache etc +[03:21:14] I see +[03:21:18] Its a risk certainly +[03:21:27] So the e.g. SPI board is responsible to many others than just Gentoo +[03:21:37] I believe this is why Linux Foundation has concerns with umbrellas +[03:22:05] As stated though, we must ensure the finance piece is contracted out +[03:22:06] antarus: is a real risk +[03:22:13] I *am* a real risk ;) +[03:22:36] ok I don't want to spend the entire meeting on this +[03:22:39] right now we are just wondering about things that may not exist, I say we move on +[03:22:46] yes please +[03:22:47] in terms of next steps we need to pay the taxes +[03:22:54] Trying to finish Ant Man with the boy :) +[03:23:08] we can table future discussions until Jan? +[03:23:14] unless we are in a rush to decide? +[03:23:28] antarus: There is more to deciding that. So, yes table. +[03:23:37] Maybe start a good discussion on -nfp +[03:23:40] tabling +[03:24:03] and we need to pay the man still +[03:24:12] So, we got a few weeks for the holidays to pass +[03:24:27] b-man: did you get a response from the USWG chair about our UEFI registration? +[03:24:34] antarus: crickers... +[03:24:38] crickets* +[03:24:45] everyone at intel must be on vacation +[03:24:55] doesn't mattst88 work there? :) +[03:25:06] maybe we can get him to bump them +[03:25:07] I think he still does graphics there +[03:25:35] antarus: pinged matt in PM +[03:25:38] ok +[03:25:54] ok +[03:25:58] due to the upcoming .org sale to ethos capital we renewed our domains for the next 10 years +[03:26:08] any motion to vote today? +[03:26:13] none that i know of +[03:26:27] the agenda is mostly empty, I was going to do a brief pass of bugs and then open floor +[03:26:32] is only bikeshedding meeting ? +[03:26:37] ok +[03:26:39] lol +[03:26:57] domain is good +[03:26:58] push... +[03:27:00] (I think most of our meetings are bikesheeding ;p) +[03:27:20] Ant-man is learning his skillz +[03:27:34] antarus: nice for renewing domains +[03:27:45] We have some upcoming expenses in calendar 2020 (switch, caddies, etc.) +[03:27:55] gentoo calendar? +[03:28:02] we are selling it ? +[03:28:08] :) +[03:28:15] anything for https://bugs.gentoo.org/695360 ? +[03:28:19] alicef: Yes, a Gentoo calendar, you will be Ms. April +[03:28:37] * antarus can be Dr. May +[03:29:14] I think for that bug I need to check with mgorny +[03:29:25] I was hoping to resolve it with a brief discussion +[03:29:28] anything for open floor? +[03:29:37] non +[03:29:55] I am not sure we could force them to change the metadata +[03:30:07] So, likely, need to play nice +[03:30:20] as Roy kind of alluded too +[03:30:52] nothing for open floor +[03:31:01] antarus: bang that gavel! +[03:31:09] i mostly want avoid the cost of an actual patent attouney ;) +[03:31:11] attourney8 +[03:31:12] bah +[03:31:14] anyway +[03:31:17] * antarus gavels +[03:31:19] meeting adjourned -- cgit v1.2.3-65-gdbad